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Round 2 – 9 April 2017 – Derby, Tasmania

Shimano Enduro Tasmania


    9 April, 2017 - 17:59:48

    Full results from today will be available on our website very soon! In the meantime we’re off to get sprayed by some champagne from the hands of today’s champs Isabeau Courdurier, Adrien Dailly, Karim Amour, Martha Gill, Mary Mcconneloug and Benjamin McIlroy!

    We’ll be back for round three in Madeira on May 13th for the Enduro World Series Powered by Freeride Madeira. See you then!


    9 April, 2017 - 17:46:35
    Well that was a race and a half!

    So we have two new faces on the podium! Isabeau takes her first win after 5 years of trying – what an incredible performance from the French Sunn rider and fellow Frenchman Adrien Dailly wins the mens!

    9 April, 2017 - 17:44:19
    Callaghan crashes out

    Callaghan crashes out on stage 7 and it costs him the race, pushes him into 2nd place. Sam Hill goes 3rd, 4th is Richie Rude

    9 April, 2017 - 17:42:54
    Dailly wins!

    Adrien Daily takes his first EWS win as a senior! The former U21 World Champion has come of age and wins in Tasmania!

    9 April, 2017 - 17:40:20
    Adrien Dailly wins the race!

    Adrien Dailly has won the race!

    9 April, 2017 - 17:32:36
    Men stage 7

    We’re just waiting for the men’s stage 7 results to be confirmed, standby…

    9 April, 2017 - 17:24:51
    Mark Scott

    Mark wore his brakes out before stage 7 and is doing some on stage repairs thank to a fellow racer…

    9 April, 2017 - 17:15:26
    Women’s results after all stages

    1 Isabeau Courdurier 27:52.17

    2 Cecile Ravanel +21.71s

    3 Ines Thoma + 1:41.29

    4 Noga Korem 1:55.54

    5 Katy Winton + 2:06.23

    9 April, 2017 - 17:13:08
    And now for the men’s results

    The top 30 men are on stage 7 now and very, very soon we’ll know who has won this absolutely savage race!

    9 April, 2017 - 17:11:27
    Women’s results

    After 7, long wet stages Isabeau Courdurier has won the race! Cecile Ravanel goes 2nd and Ines Thoma goes 3rd! In 4th it’s Noga Korem and in 5th it’s Katy Winton

    9 April, 2017 - 17:08:25
    Isabeau wins her first EWS!

    She’s done it! Isabeau Courdurier has just won her first ever Enduro World Series race!

    9 April, 2017 - 17:06:34
    Nervously waiting…

    We’re on tenterhooks here waiting to find out if Isabeau has won…

    9 April, 2017 - 17:03:21
    Women stage 7

    The women are coming back from stage 7… standby to see if Isabeau is about to win her first ever Enduro World Series!

    9 April, 2017 - 17:00:43
    Greg Callaghan still leads the race!

    Greg Callaghan leads the race after 6 stages with 1 to go! Dailly trails by 3 seconds and in third Sam Hill is 11.38 back! 4th is Richie Rude and 5th Jared Graves!

    9 April, 2017 - 16:59:32
    Dailly wins stage 6!

    Adrien wins stage 6! Sam Hill 2nd and Callaghan 3rd!

    9 April, 2017 - 16:57:25
    Gauvin leads!

    Remi Gauvin leading stage 6 currently! Rude 2nd, Lapeyrie 3rd and Maes 4th! Still the top 10 men to come through

    9 April, 2017 - 16:53:19
    Wallner leads 6!

    Ibis rider Robin Wallner knocks Jared off the lead on stage 6! Graves into 2nd, Stuttard 3rd. Still nearly 30 guys to come through though

    9 April, 2017 - 16:51:33
    Men’s race

    So the top men are starting to drop into stage 6 now and Jared currently leads the stage by less than a second with Matt Stuttard in 2nd and Marco Osborne in 3rd! What can the top 30 men do to challenge Grubby’s time?!

    9 April, 2017 - 16:48:44
    Women’s top 5 with one stage left

    1 Isabeau Courdurier 26:13.00

    2 Cecile Ravanel +19.67s

    3 Ines Thoma + 1:38.46

    4 Noga Korem +1:51.67

    5 Katy Winton + 2:03.93

    9 April, 2017 - 16:46:38
    Courdurier leads the race!

    Isabeau Courdurier leads the race after 6 stages with just 1 more to go!

    9 April, 2017 - 16:45:24
    Courdurier wins stage 6!

    Ravanel goes 2nd which means…

    9 April, 2017 - 16:41:18
    Still waiting for Cecile

    We’re still waiting for Cecile Ravanel’s time on stage 6, should be through any minute now and then we can give you an update on where the women’s overall standings are going into the last race of the day

    9 April, 2017 - 16:38:30
    Top 5 men after stage 5

    1 Greg Callaghan 20:04.55

    2 Adrien Dailly +05.82s

    3 Jared Graves +09.61s

    4 Richie Rude +09.88

    5 Sam Hill +11.95s

    9 April, 2017 - 16:35:11
    Courdurier leads but

    Isabeau leads stage 6 BUT we’re still waiting for cecile’s time to pop in…

    9 April, 2017 - 16:28:23
    Big crowds out here

    The rain has dried up and there’s a party atmosphere in the village – the beer is flowing and all eyes are on the big screen as we wait to hear if Isabeau can fend off Cecile on stage 6…


    9 April, 2017 - 16:25:22
    Isabeau on course now

    Race leader Isabeau is on stage 6 now and we hear she is flying! But she’s being chased down by World Champ and series leader Cecile Ravanel… stay tuned for their results!

    9 April, 2017 - 16:24:13
    Graves through 6

    Jared Graves goes through stage 6 in the lead but there are still plenty of guys to come through – and his lead over Matt Stuttard is less than one second on that stage so it looks like a time that probably won’t hold

    9 April, 2017 - 16:18:17
    U21 men

    And the U21 Men are home – safe but not dry…

    Congratulations to Aussie rider Benjamin McIlroy who takes the win! Fellow Aussie Blake Pearce in 2nd and Kiwi rider Ben Friel goes 3rd!

    9 April, 2017 - 16:15:30
    Two stages left

    There’s just two stages left for the men and women’s categories and right now the men’s race is wide open… Callaghan only has a 5 second lead on 2nd placed Dailly and we know 3rd placed Graves will be desperate for a win on home soil…

    9 April, 2017 - 16:13:55
    Rude and Hill climbing up

    Rude and Hill are clawing their way back up the rankings and are now sitting 4th and 5th respectively

    9 April, 2017 - 16:12:07
    After 5 stages Callaghan leads!

    So Greg Callaghan is now leading this race! Adrien Dailly is in 2nd and Graves has dropped back to 3rd! Whoo this is getting EXCITING!

    9 April, 2017 - 16:10:26
    Callaghan leads the race!

    Greg Callaghan leads the race now!

    9 April, 2017 - 16:09:47
    Hill wins 5!

    Sam Hill just wins stage 5!

    9 April, 2017 - 16:04:44
    Isabeau leads the race

    So Courdurier still leads the race by over 18 seconds! Ravanel 2nd, Thoma 3rd, Korem 4th and Winton in 5th

    9 April, 2017 - 16:02:53
    Cecile wins stage 5!

    Cecile wins stage 5! But only 2 secs up on Isabeau so Isabeau still leads the race! Caro Gehrig goes third

    9 April, 2017 - 16:01:37
    Noga Korem

    Great to see Israeli rider Noga Korem doing so well – she’s a reasonably new face in the series and she’s certainly making her mark

    9 April, 2017 - 15:59:04
    And to think we were worried about bar width…

    Earlier this week all the chatter in the pits was about bar width and that rock gap on stage 2, little did we know what we should have been talking about tyre choice. Oh well, hindsight is a wonderful thing!

    9 April, 2017 - 15:55:06

    The women are on stage 5 now and we’ll be very interested to see what happens with Cecile – she was the hot favourite in this race but Isabeau is 21 seconds up! Isabeau has been ill so no-one was expecting this from her today but she is absolutely smashing it!

    9 April, 2017 - 15:46:50
    Drying out here

    The wind has changed direction and it seems to be drying out here, the rain has stopped and the only liquid flowing is the beer in the many bars dotted around this awesome venue!

    9 April, 2017 - 15:37:53
    Amour wins the Masters!

    Karim Amour wins the Master’s Men’s category! He beats Nigel Page by 7 seconds and Micheal Broderick goes into third!

    9 April, 2017 - 15:33:41
    So Jared leads!

    So Jared is leading on home soil! The Aussies are beyond excited here in Tasi but there are still 3 stages to go… Exciting!

    9 April, 2017 - 15:30:35
    Wheee it’s getting tight

    Wow it’s getting tight out there! Who’s going to win this race? We honestly don’t know!

    9 April, 2017 - 15:28:25
    Men’s race after stage 4

    After 4 stages the men’s overall looks like this;

    1 Jared Graves 17:39.60

    2 Greg Callaghan + 05.44s

    3 Adrien Dailly + 11.68s

    4 Lewis Buchanan + 11.89s

    5 Richie Rude + 13.04s

    9 April, 2017 - 15:23:40
    Callaghan wins stage 4!

    Greg Callaghan wins stage 4 in the mens!

    9 April, 2017 - 15:11:06
    9 April, 2017 - 15:08:13
    Brown hurt

    We hear Casey not only has a mechanical but she also had an over the bars and hurt her knee and it sounds like her race is definitely over

    9 April, 2017 - 15:04:18
    Isabeau still leads

    Isabeau is still leading this race out by 21 secs over 2nd placed Cecile – but Cecile hates the rain, has just had a puncture and is not a fan of losing and we bet she’s feeling pretty angry right now… which is often when she does best. The fightback could well start here for Ravanel!

    9 April, 2017 - 15:01:26
    Women’s standings after 4 stages

    After 4 stages the women’s overall looks like this;

    1 Isabeau Courdurier 19:55.21

    2 Cecile Ravanel + 21.13s

    3 Ines Thoma +1:10.46

    9 April, 2017 - 14:59:04
    Isabeau 2nd

    Courdurier goes 2nd on stage 4 and Noga korem goes third

    9 April, 2017 - 14:57:51
    Cecile wins stage 4!

    Ravanel has just won stage 4! She flatted on the way to the stage and then somehow fixed it in time, dropped straight into the stage and won it!

    9 April, 2017 - 14:54:53
    Brown major mechanical

    Casey has a major mechanical and she’s out the race – she was having a good day results wise as well, that will shake up the overall standings

    9 April, 2017 - 14:53:48

    It’s a mechanical for other Gehrig twin Caro – her tube came off and jammed her wheel

    9 April, 2017 - 14:52:34
    Anita loses rear brake

    Poor Anita Gehrig has no rear brake – means she’ll have to walk a lot of stuff on her next run – sounds like her race could well be over

    9 April, 2017 - 14:50:19
    Women on stage 4

    That’s the women on stage 4 now, with the top names still to drop in. The rain is relentless but the women don’t seem to mind too much – there’s lots of smiles around  including Kiwi racer Renee Wilson


    9 April, 2017 - 14:25:08
    We’ll be back

    We’re off in search of race gossip – back in 15! In the meantime, here’s Ric McLaughlin tackling today’s course in the dry last week…

    9 April, 2017 - 14:15:57

    A mistake from Martin Maes on stage 3 has cost him time. He slowed down early before the finish which pushed him back to 21st on stage 3. But he’s picked himself up and has gone back to the pits where team mechanic Tom is helping to fit him some new brakes (that’s allowed in the tech zone) and he’s ready to get back out there! And he’s still leading the race!


    9 April, 2017 - 14:10:15

    The weather really is grim here now and it looks like it may have set in for the afternoon – it’s going to be a long 4 stages this afternoon for the racers…

    9 April, 2017 - 14:00:54

    Richie had a shocker at round one, with the rain really messing with the conditions and as the last man off he had the worst of it to race in, it’s not much easier here and he was lying in 10 after the first 2 stages

    9 April, 2017 - 13:54:59
    But not Ines!

    Ines Thoma just rolled past and she says she’s warm and is smiling – Lewis Buchanan says he’s liking the conditions – they suit a Scotsman that’s for sure!

    9 April, 2017 - 13:52:05
    Word in from the hill

    The word in from the hill is that the riders are just in survival mode here – the girls say the weather is making them cold and a few people are struggling to get their brakes to work properly

    9 April, 2017 - 13:41:14
    stage 3 men

    The first of the top 30 men are just dropping in to stage 3 – results soon. Last man in will be series leader Wyn Masters in 15mins time

    9 April, 2017 - 13:38:23
    Women’s overall after 3 stages

    1 Isabeau Courdurier  14:38.91

    2 Cecile Ravanel   +22.28s

    3 Caro Gehrig  +40.04s

    9 April, 2017 - 13:37:03
    Isabeau wins 3!

    Courdurier makes it a hat trick and wins stage 3! Cecile goes 2nd and Katy goes 3rd!

    9 April, 2017 - 13:32:13
    We’ll be back in 10

    We’re going to head out to the pits to grab some stories – we’ll be back in 10! In the meantime, check out how amazing these courses look in the dry…

    9 April, 2017 - 13:23:37


    9 April, 2017 - 13:19:30

    Martha Gill is the only U21 woman competing here, but she’s pushing hard anyway and is posting some pretty awesome times – and she’s still smiling despite the rain!



    9 April, 2017 - 13:12:05

    Ben Forbes leading stage 3 currently, Jared and Justin off the pace back in 7th and 8th respectively, but those places will drop as more of the top men come through

    9 April, 2017 - 13:10:06
    Stage 3 men

    Some of the men are through stage 3 now – sounds like Marco Osborne took a donkey line at the bottom of the stage and he lost a bunch of time. He’s sitting in 16 on the stage currently but there’s at least 30 men to go

    9 April, 2017 - 13:07:59
    Callaghan crashes

    Greg Callaghan has had a big stack at the top of one of the stages we hear – sounds like he’s ok and kept going though

    9 April, 2017 - 13:05:44
    Sam Hill

    And speaking of Nigel Page, his lesser known team mate Sam Hill just told us he’s saving it all for the last few stages of the day – watch this space!

    9 April, 2017 - 13:03:44
    Master’s Men

    And in the Master’s men’s race Karim Amour is leading after 4 stages but Liverpool’s finest Nigel Page is less than 2 seconds back – three stages to go!

    9 April, 2017 - 12:53:26

    We heard Maes was looking crazy fast in practice – a couple of the pros looked pretty shocked at the speed he was hitting some of the rock gardens. He won the last race of last season in Finale – could he be in for another win here?!

    After finishing last season with a win Martin Maes will be looking to regain that form here in Tasmania

    9 April, 2017 - 12:51:15
    Maes leads the race!

    Martin Maes leads the race! Jesse Melamed in 2nd and Jared Graves in third! Still 5 stages to go

    9 April, 2017 - 12:50:28
    Stage 2 men’s results

    1 Martin Maes

    2 Jesse Melamed

    3 Theo Galy

    9 April, 2017 - 12:47:53
    Maes wins stage 2!

    Martin Maes wins stage 2!

    9 April, 2017 - 12:46:21

    The crowds might be unfussed about the rain, but it’s a different story for the snappers – filmer John Parkin has had to sacrifice his waterproofs to protect his camera gear


    9 April, 2017 - 12:44:44
    Crowds building

    The rain continues to fall but the crowds are still building. We think it might be the strategically placed bars around the course


    9 April, 2017 - 12:42:19
    Melamed leads 2

    And now Melamed leads stage 2 – still a few guys to come through

    9 April, 2017 - 12:37:36
    Graves getting pushed out

    The guys are coming down stage 2 now and Graves time is slipping – he’s been pushed into 4th with Theo Galy now leading

    9 April, 2017 - 12:35:44

    Alexandre Cure has just beaten Graves’ time on stage 2 by less than a second – what can the top 30 men do now – can they beat that? The rain is coming down hard again here, it’ll be pretty interesting to see if they can

    9 April, 2017 - 12:31:20
    Graves leading 2

    Jared Graves is leading the men on stage 2 – but the top 30 are still to drop in so let’s see if his time of 4:10 can hold…

    9 April, 2017 - 12:29:26
    Isabeau leads the race!

    After 2 out of 2 stage wins Isabeau leads the race by 15 seconds! Cecile in 2nd and Casey Brown 21 secs back in third! Could this be Isabeau’s first EWS win? Well there’s still 5 stages to go… stay tuned to find out!

    9 April, 2017 - 12:26:09
    Isabeau wins stage 2!

    And she does it again, Isabeau wins stage 2! Cecile Ravanel is 2nd and casey 3rd!

    9 April, 2017 - 12:13:00
    Bar width

    Bar width is crucial on stage 2 with that gap, so we spoke to the pros to see how they were planning to adjust their set up

    9 April, 2017 - 12:10:29
    Stage 2

    The riders on their way up to stage 2 now – Detonate. And what a stage this is, you’ll have probably seen lots of pics of this stage on rider’s Instagram feeds this week thanks to the crazy rock gap – it’s so narrow! Riders have to squeeze through it – it’s about a metre wide and it looks like this…Apparently these cracks are e-bike compatible

    9 April, 2017 - 12:06:50
    Tasi Course ride

    If you want an idea of what the stages look like here in derby, Tasmania then check out the course preview we made earlier in the week – when it was lovely and dry!

    9 April, 2017 - 12:04:06

    It looks like the being out of the top 30 men may be an advantage here  – so the guys like Jared who struggled with the rain in Rotorua might actually have the advantage here in Tasi. Things are going to get interesting, that’s for sure!

    9 April, 2017 - 11:53:38
    Graves wins stage 1!

    Jared Graves wins stage 1! Ben Forbes is 2nd and Marco osborne 3rd! Aussie 1st and 2nd!

    9 April, 2017 - 11:48:15
    Hill also happy

    Hill also happy  – he just placed 17th on stage 1 though, we think he’ll pushing in the next stage


    9 April, 2017 - 11:42:48
    Maes and Clementz

    Martin and Jerome are loving it! They seem to be having a lot of fun and aren’t bothered by the conditionsjerome

    9 April, 2017 - 11:40:54

    Curtis Keene has some mud on that new pink Specialized jersey – he might have had a tumble on 1

    9 April, 2017 - 11:40:12
    Pro men stoked

    The pro men are looking stoked as they come through – big smiles and lots of shrieking and laughter as they cross the line

    9 April, 2017 - 11:39:10
    Men on 1

    The top men are coming through stage one now and they say the tracks are running fine, Nico Lau says they are “magnifique”

    9 April, 2017 - 11:38:10
    And we’re back

    Sorry for the delay there – some local Tasi politicians has just dropped in to the media centre to say hello – turns out they ride too. Is there anyone in Derby who doesn’t ride?!

    9 April, 2017 - 11:29:11

    Courdurier was ill in Rotorua and had to retire from the race – but she’s back on form and has just taken the first stage of the race by nearly 10 seconds!

    9 April, 2017 - 11:26:20
    Isabeau wins stage 1!

    Isabeau wins stage one! Katy 2nd, Casey Brown 3rd and Cecile Ravanel in 4th!

    9 April, 2017 - 11:24:08
    Ladies still smiling

    The ladies are coming down and they’ve still got smiles on their faces – yeah ladies! Our roving reporter Anka Martin is out in the field and just caught up with the ever awesome Katy Winton

    9 April, 2017 - 11:10:08
    Stage 1

    This is the view on stage 1, as seen by our camerman Chris Seager…

    9 April, 2017 - 11:05:36
    Graves through stage 1

    Jared Graves is through stage 1 and posts the fastest time so far – 4:35 – still the women and the top 30 men to come through though. But that’s a good time from Jared and he probably just made it through before the worst of the rain – could that time hold?

    9 April, 2017 - 11:01:19
    Women on stage 1

    The women are on stage 1 now and the rain is really starting to come down – it’s going to be a pretty miserable wait up there for those riders about to drop in – even though the air temperature is warm that rain will be soaking them through

    9 April, 2017 - 10:57:39
    Trails should hold up

    It’s wet out there but these trails are pretty sandy so they should hold up pretty well in the rain and as it’s set to dry out this afternoon we’re not expecting the mud fest we saw in Rotorua

    9 April, 2017 - 10:54:21
    And the rain just got heavier…

    It’s wet out there now! Really, really wet!


    9 April, 2017 - 10:50:45
    Fast guys

    Some fast guys through stage 1 now – Cody Kelly of Yeti looking fast and smooth and totally at home, while Marco Osborne says he’s finding it physical but good

    9 April, 2017 - 10:49:17
    Uh oh…

    We hear that James Shirely is feeling sick and it sounds like the Canyon team might be feeling ill too. Justin Leov was ill earlier in the week, get better soon guys!

    9 April, 2017 - 10:45:57
    Getting greasy

    It’s getting pretty greasy out there – we hear Sebastien Claquin had a big crash at the bottom of stage one

    9 April, 2017 - 10:45:08
    Rain’s back

    The rain is back and it’s pretty heavy out there now – looks like it’s going to be a tough day out there for everyone. And spare a thought for the filmers and photographers who are trying to keep their equipment dry – here’s our very own snapper Duncan Philpott looking a little worried


    9 April, 2017 - 10:43:06
    Race order

    The seeding for today’s race will look a bit different to normal thanks to the carnage caused by the rain in Rotorua at round 1. There’s some big names quite deep in the field owing to their results in NZ – Jared Graves and Justin Leov will start outside the top 30 so will be on stage 1 very soon, followed by the women and then the top 30 men

    9 April, 2017 - 10:38:14
    Couscous flats

    We hear Cous Cous has a rear flat on stage 1 – not a great start to the race for him

    9 April, 2017 - 10:34:32
    Men on stage 1

    The men are on stage 1 now and we hear that head trail builder Ryan De La Rue is down nice and clean and looking super relaxed as he heads on to stage 2

    9 April, 2017 - 10:31:48
    The Aussies are mad for it

    Great to see the rain hasn’t put off the crowds and there’s plenty of them out there – they all seemed to have turned up on bikes to follow the race and everywhere you look trail side it looks a bit like this

    spectator bikes

    9 April, 2017 - 10:30:06
    Crowds are trackside
    9 April, 2017 - 10:21:21

    Nigel Page goes second – a great start to the day for Sam Hill’s team mate and manager

    9 April, 2017 - 10:18:38
    Master Men

    The Master men were the first to leave the stage this morning and they’re now through stage one – Karim Amour takes the stage!

    9 April, 2017 - 10:14:55
    This is how Wyn warms up pre race!
    9 April, 2017 - 10:13:26
    All riders on course!

    And that’s it – all riders are on course now! Round 1 winner the aptly named Wyn Masters has just wheelied off the stage and is the last rider off today – can he make it two in a row?!

    9 April, 2017 - 10:11:58
    Course preview

    And if you’re wondering what to expect from the courses here in Tasmania then look no further, we sent Ric McLaughlin down them to find out…

    9 April, 2017 - 10:07:47
    Stage 1 ctd….

    Gentle Rock Slabs lead into a range of corners that are nicely bedded in and a heap of fun to ride. The stage gets faster toward the bottom and there’s plenty of lines to choose from – depending on how brave they’re feeling in the rain…

    9 April, 2017 - 10:06:08
    Stage 1

    Stage 1 is called Little River Dambusters, and at 1.77km long with a drop of 196m it’s one of the smaller stages in the race. One of the first descending trails in the Blue Derby network it starts at the iconic Lake View after a relaxed liaison via Cascade Dam Rd and some winding singletrack around the Cascade Dam.

    9 April, 2017 - 10:05:21
    Hero Dirt

    We’re not expecting as much rain but there’s no doubt a bit of rain could make things interesting – it’s been dry here all week so none of the riders will have ridden any of these trails in the wet. Could it throw the top ten ranked men off their stride again?

    The locals have told me that a bit of rain is exactly what these trails need… Marshals who did a course sweep this morning sat the rain has actually improved the trail conditions and it’s hero dirt for days – will the riders agree?!

    9 April, 2017 - 10:02:48
    Party time in Derby…


    9 April, 2017 - 9:58:36
    Who cares about rain?!

    Not the spectators, that’s for sure! They have turned out in their thousands and they are looking for a good time. The Aussies know how to being the party…


    9 April, 2017 - 9:54:38
    G’day enduro mates!

    Welcome to Derby! The majority of riders are now on course, with just the top 30 men left to drop in. And… it’s raining! (Again). 

    There’s some nervous looking men queueing by the stage as the rain falls – could this be a repeat of Rotorua two weeks ago when the rain caused havoc on the trails and caused the favourites all sorts of problems?!

    9 April, 2017 - 8:05:44
    Welcome to Tasmania

    G’day from Tassie! We’ll be bringing you all the action from the Round 2 of the Enduro World Series, the Shimano Tasmania Enduro, and do we have a race for you!

    Live timing and Quarq GPS Race Intelligence is up and running now and we’ll be back with all the action in about an hour at 10am AEST. You don’t want to miss this!